Ok so this is one I have had in the works since last month, and here is the newer version ( a shell anyway) improved, and ready for production. This one still needs:
Thicker guitar sounds (esp at the end) – Mike?
Drums (all around) – Greg?
Lyrics – All?
Bass – (all around) – Greg? can you do this, I am really not very happy with the sounds I am getting (or not getting) from my setup here.. It needs more cojones!
I would like for all of us to harmonize some vocals on here, I have the main melody figured out, and some ideas for the ending section, but I am still not sure what needs to happen with that interlude section towards the front, might need to be taken out entirely, or severely added to. Anyway, this one still has some work to be done. What do you think?
This Song is Untitled. (working title)
[audio:https://hellocomein.com/soundbox/hellomusic_aryn/This_Song_is_Untitled.mp3]
This has a lot of potential as I was telling you before. But without much connective tissue or lyrics to tie all these various parts together, the song feels both a little long and a little ADD to me. You could probably shorten up some of the vamps and verses and essentially tighten this up to a really strong 4minute song. You are right it really needs to be filled out and orchestrated to make the sections sound crisp.
Do you have lyrical ideas for this?
Also, a few questions for both of you:
1) do you keep a book of some sort to write lyrical ideas in?
2) do you find that you sit down and hope something comes to you, or do you work on on a song away from the computer beforehand?
3) how many takes do you normally obsess on before you finally decide its good enough for now?
4) do you pick a certain artist or genre you want to model a song on, or is it a bit less calculated and you go with what youre hearing at that particular time?
OK- I’m going to work on this tonight. It is a little ADHD, but I like it that way. It makes it unique to you. Can you post the most recent garage band file? I think if we make the guitars less looped (not so many pauses) and sync up more of the parts, it will be going in the right direction. I really like the vocal melody, so lets add some lyrics to that as well. It’s nice when the acoustic guitar plays that line as well. And the glockenspiel?
To answer Mike:
1) Yes. Small moleskine. Usually I organize it by complete song rather than page after page of little riffs.
2) I usually work away from the computer first- either the guitar or piano. Just to get an idea. I am also trying to force myself to get a vocal melody idea too before recording on the computer. Easier said than done.
3) I usually do a few takes and say “fuck it, that’s good enough.”
4) I”m definitely not that calculated and usually just go with the flow… actually, this is me not having a well defined style.
I am going to update this hopefully today and get a newer working version up and running.. The acoustic guitar was added to flesh out the song structure, but now going back and listening its much too long. So my plans are to pare it down a bit, tighten up the sections / backups and get this rolling.
Oh and the glockenspiel is there to clarify the melody, so now i can play it on guitar AND vocals AND piano! such wondermint and excitement.
Mike: any way i can help you sort it out
Aryn: cool
Aryn: i will let you know
Mike:: seems like youre reluctant
Aryn: if you have any thought son the bridge
Aryn: i might be stuck
Mike: true
Mike:: i think you should go w\ the the method for your songs that if you cannot play it all the way through simply on a guitar or piano and strip it down, it needs more work
Mike:: you cant just automatically create a song as soon as you hit record
Mike:: you know
Aryn: yeah , i can play it from start to finish
Mike:: but does it sound like a song?
Aryn: i just need to sit down and spend some time on it
Mike:: thats what i mean
Aryn: yeah i think it will once i get some vocals to tie it together
Aryn: i will work on that this morning in tandem with working .. if thats possilbe
Mike:: your ideas tend to be a bit scattered b\c youre not simplifiying it to essential and recognizeable parts
Aryn: well, i feel like they are recognizable .. maybe because i am the one playing them/ hearing over and over
Aryn: but you might be right
Mike:: i think that is my outside thought
Aryn: its a valid point though.. maybe that would help me with this one..
Mike:: i have a hard time hearing ANY influences come through at all, therefore i have no basis of comparison to come up w\ new ideas
Aryn: strip it down even more .. get rid of some of the parts
Mike:: just tighten it up
Mike:: its just very scattered sounding
Mike:: i dont know what genre it really isf
Mike:: besides rock
Aryn: yeah
Aryn: i’m not sure either..
Mike:: i dont know what kind of guitar sounds you want
Mike:: or if it needs synths
Mike:: or the mood
Mike:: im not trashing you, im just trying to talk you through it so you can make these decisions
Aryn: oh i know..
Mike: im a litte OVER transparent w\ my influences
Mike: so it goes both ways
Aryn: i welcome the suggestions
Aryn: sure ..
Aryn: its definitely something i need to work on
Mike: try copying a style you like
Mike: youll ulitmately fail at mirroring it exactly
Mike: but that is where your own style comes in
Mike: and something new will come out of it
Aryn: yeah